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Gijs van Wulfen - Global online & 'live' speaker on Innovation (gijsvanwulfen.com),
Trainer and Author on Innovation and founder and trainer of 100% Online and 'Live' innovation trainings, founder and trainer of 100% Online and 'Live' innovation trainings FORTH Innovation Method Institute(https://www.forth-innovation.com/).
Gijs has more than 326,000 LinkedIn followers- on his active and content rich page:
A discussion about the meaning of innovation v. ideas, on the need for innovation in organizations, on the need to allow employees to be innovative by amongst other providing them space and follow up their ideas ad plans, on the need for innovative leaders within organizations- including municipalities.